Last Thursday I joined a panel at the Cato Institute to discuss Kevin Vallier’s new book All the Kingdoms of the World: On Radical Religious Alternatives to Liberalism. He focuses mostly on integralism, a movement popular with some especially young Catholic men that advocates for a society in which the Roman Catholic Church is legally paramount, as in the Middle Ages. In my response, I mostly described Protestant equivalents of integralism, popular among some young Calvinist men. I contrast these systems with IRD’s advocacy for democracy, religious freedom and human rights for all people. I hope you enjoy this conversation.